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August 19, 2011 / itsnobody

The Nazi party, a left-wing liberal movement

The liberal atheist media has tried to portray the Nazis as a radical right-wing movement but any historian or politician who’s studied the Nazi party would find the exact opposite to be true.

You will always here liberals and liberal atheists claim the Nazis were “far right wing” but its time for me to completely debunk that myth.

The Nazis are labeled as “far right” simply for being fascist. By that definition, any party whether they are fiscally left or right would be labeled as “far right” if they are fascist.

But far-right as in libertarian, pro-capitalist, pro-Austrian economist or small-government the Nazis were not.

 “We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are determined to destroy this system under all conditions”

- Adolf Hitler, Hitler’s speech on May 1, 1927. Cited in: Toland, John (1992). Adolf Hitler. Anchor Books. pp. 224–225. ISBN 0385037244.

Some liberals have claimed that Hitler retracted this statement, this claim of course turned out to be just another lie. Hitler never retracted this statement ever. Instead a historian claims that Hitler had regrets about using the word “socialism” simply because Hitler said “”Socialism! That is an unfortunate word altogether”. But claiming that socialism is an unfortunate word is a far cry from retracting his statement. Contrary to what liberals claim, Hitler continued to strongly oppose capitalism and never retracted this statement.

There is absolutely nothing conservative, pro-capitalist, or right-wing about the Nazis. Most conservatives are only anti-illegal immigration, not against all immigration like the Nazis were, and in the past conservatives like Ronald Reagan gave amnesty. I’m sure that most conservatives strongly oppose illegal immigration.

The Nazis or National Socialists were very fiscally left-wing on nearly all issues, although you can find some isolated incidences where the Nazis supported privatization of some industry, private property or something along those lines, the Nazis still were overall anti-capitalist (as well as anti-communist) and strongly opposed to capitalism.

The Nazis were also socially liberal on many issues as well.

So what are my reasons for labeling the Nazis are being a far-left wing liberal movement?

  • Nationalization of corporations and industries

    “13. We demand the nationalisation of all (previous) associated industries (trusts)”
    The 25-point Program of the NSDAP

    So which party supports nationalization of corporations and industries? Is that more left-wing or right-wing?

  • Profit-sharing

    “14. We demand a division of profits of all heavy industries”
    The 25-point Program of the NSDAP

    Profit-sharing is definitely a left-wing liberal idea.

  • Expansion of pension

    “15. We demand an expansion on a large scale of old age welfare
    The 25-point Program of the NSDAP

    Expansion of old age welfare? Couldn’t be a small-government conservative if you supported it.

  • Keynesian economic policies
    Basically all of the Nazi’s economic policies were Keynesian as opposed to Austrian. This means the Nazis supported (and in fact did) things like running large deficits and using government programs to reduce unemployment. There is absolutely nothing pro-Austrian economist about the Nazis at all.
  • Anti-free-market capitalist
    The Nazis had government-controlled capitalism, which is a form of socialism and essentially the exact opposite of free-market capitalism (where the government has little to no control). The Nazi government had control over corporations. The Nazis also had government-controlled wages and prices as well.  All these policies are the exact opposite of far right-wing free-market Austrian economists policies.
  • Pro-animal rights
    It’s impossible to deny that the Nazis were pro-animal rights.

    An absolute and permanent ban on vivisection is not only a necessary law to protect animals and to show sympathy with their pain, but it is also a law for humanity itself

    - Hermann Göring, leading member of the Nazi party

    The Nazis were the very first country in history to ban vivisection. The Nazis also made restrictions on hunting and banned commercial animal trapping. Many people who violated animal rights laws were sent to concentration camps.

    So is being pro-animal rights more left or right?

  • Pro-Government control

    “25. For the execution of all of this we demand the formation of a strong central power in the Reich. Unlimited authority of the central parliament over the whole Reich and its organizations in general”
    The 25-point Program of the NSDAP

    The Nazis wanted the government to have unlimited power over all. This is once again a typical leftist viewpoint of wanting government power over personal freedom. Leftists and liberals constantly promote the idea of more government involvement, more government control, and bigger government claiming that it is a good thing for the government to have power over individuals and corporations.

When liberals argue that Hitler was some how right-wing their weak arguments usually involve:
– Pointing out quotes where Hitler spoke out against Marxism (ignoring the quotes where Hitler spoke out against capitalism and that most liberal Democrats are not Marxists)
– Intentionally ignoring the 25-point Program of the NDSAP
– Pointing out that Hitler was patriotic or believed in a strong national defense (while ignoring that many other ideologies on the left also believe in patriotism and building a strong national defense)

The simple fact is overall Hitler and the Nazis fit in closely to the left-wing liberal Democratic party. Their anti-communist and anti-capitalist views mesh very well with the modern liberal Democrat party, and there’s no way to deny this.

Even White Nationalists on the most popular White Nationalist forum have admitted that the Nazis were left-wing – http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t617746/. The very same user who made this post is also admittedly an atheist saying “I’m an Atheist and an adherent to the Darwinian-Galtonian school of evolutionary thought”.

So how can anyone deny that Hitler and the Nazis were much more left-wing than right-wing on nearly every issue, and much closer to left-wing overall than right-wing?

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  1. ymvugr@gmail.com / Feb 27 2014 1:55 am

    Thank you for the auspicious writeup. It in fact was a amusement account it.

  2. Luis / Jan 28 2014 9:56 am

    Sorry, but didn’t work.

    You seem incapable of appreciating that the Nazis were led by degagogues who used socialist terminology in order to draw supporters away from the socialists and communists, who were their biggest (and bitterest) working-class rivals at the time. You don’t just fight socialists with bricks and guns, you fight them with words and promises as well. Once in power, the Nazis went on to BETRAY most of their left-wing promises.

    ”There is absolutely nothing conservative, pro-capitalist, or right-wing about the Nazis”

    Conservative: homophobic, anti-atheist, patriarchal, social-Darwinist, pro-traditional authoritarian institutions (military and police), pro-family, creationist (see last comment). Pro-capitalist: backers of (and backed up) big capital, disciplined and suppressed the working class, banned real unions, refloated industries that were lagging in order to hand them back to private hands, maintained the stock-market, retained strong class distinctions, FAILED to do anything to overturn class distinctions. Right-wing: racist, nationalistic, national chauvinist, law-and-order platform.

    I don’t know how you extract ‘socialist’ from all of that or why you choose to believe Hitler and allow a dead man to play you, unless your definition of socialist is so shallow as to be worthless (you seem to equivocate it with simple government control and/or ownership, ignoring completely the class content and character of the state, in whose interests it is acting, and how it has been shaped, all of which are class questions).

    ”the Nazis still were overall anti-capitalist (as well as anti-communist) and strongly opposed to capitalism.”

    Only if you understand capitalism to mean the fantasies one finds in economics textbooks where the ‘guvumint’ is the source of all disquiet. Capitalist ideologues have an absolutely goofy conception of their system, unable to see through the muck of their own agitprop. They’re so hopelessly deluded that some of them come to see Lockheed Martin and Goldman Sachs as examples of ‘socialism’! Anti-social theft in the service of a tiny minority of big capitalists, at the expense of almost everyone else, is seen as ‘socialism’. Sorry, but I’m not that gullible or loose with my terms.

    The Nazis weren’t trying to get rid of capitalism. They were trying to manage the interests of the big capitalists (what are often called ‘strategic interests’ in the West), discipline smaller capitalists, and simply control the masses. Capitalist-state alliances of these sorts are examples of the big capitalists doing what the jealous small-time capitalists would themselves do if given half the chance (the very same capitalists who complain ‘this isn’t real capitalism!’). The beautiful irony is that a lot of ‘libertarians’ can’t see that the very free markets they love so much are themselves mechanisms for concentrating vast pools of capital with which to invest in the state for inluence against other capitalists, and it’s doubly beautiful given that you guys also advocate the government being ‘small’. Yet you can’t seem to put these simple things together and form a logical narrative of what comes next. You blithely imagine that a free market is the end of the discussion rather than the beginning of the analysis. It has to be spelled out to you that when a government is weak and has few instruments with which to regulate and reign in the market, the most powerful players in that market will inevitably, by the pure logic of capital accumulation (CAPITALism, remember?), come to increasingly dominate and control the government as a further mechanism for capital accumulation. Why is that hard to understand?

    ”All these policies are the exact opposite of far right-wing free-market Austrian economists policies.”

    Who care? One still follows the failure of the other. Fascism, as capitalism in crisis, is obliged to dispense with Austrian economic practise (if not doctrine), but only as a prelude to restoring it (albeit with the big kids on the block coming out on top).

    ”- Pointing out that Hitler was patriotic or believed in a strong national defense (while ignoring that many other ideologies on the left also believe in patriotism and building a strong national defense)”

    ‘National defense’ is a mute point. What’s pointed to is imperialism, armed aggression and racial slavery. Why downplay these by equivocating them with basic patriotism and national defense?

    ”The Nazis were also socially liberal on many issues as well.”

    I guess so much so that they sent homosexuals and Roma to concentration camps, which is something that modern conservatives rather than liberals would be apt to do. Could you please name the ‘many issues’ on which the Nazis were socially liberal?

    And finally: the Nazis had a creationist conception of biology, not a genuinely Darwinian one. They believed in perfectly created forms that were being diluted, rather than an advance TOWARDS perfection from an imperfect starting point. Nazi eugenics had a restorative goal, not an evolutionary one. The Nazis believed that whites were already superhumans but that their quality was being undermined by breeding with lesser beings. Thus, they were concerned with filtering out this diluting influence and RESTORING the God-bestowed forms that had existed at the creation. Darwin, on the other hand, while being a racist, was much LESS of a racist than most of his contemporaries, and it’s actually quite easy to see why this would be the case: he saw humanity as deriving from a common stock, while the Nazis believed that whites were specially designed and chosen by God. Modern evolutionary biology posits that humans indeed come from a common ancestor. I doubt that Hitler would be very enamoured of the idea that his people originated in Africa.

    • Derp / Jul 20 2014 8:04 pm

      This ^

      • Luis / Jul 21 2014 3:14 am

        Stop crying.

  3. Anonymous / Jan 9 2014 11:06 pm

    THANK YOU!!! I’m glad someone finally gets it!

    Everytime Dems say the Nazis were right-wing I call them out on it! The Nazis wanted control, their entire GOVERNMENT was run by their party, they OUTLAWED religious freedom of Jews, they OUTLAWED anything in Germany that was non-German, such as radio stations that didn’t play German music only, etc. They also weren’t Christians as many leftists claim. It’s true that Hitler at his early ages was probably Christian, but once he got into power, he became a peganists/occultists. Just look at the symbols the Nazis used for their political party—-the swatsika & others—all occult symbols! Not to mention the fact “Nazi” stands for National SOCIALIST Work Party”. They took control of private business & destroyed others (specifically those owned by Jews). They are so obviously LEFT-WING!

    I am so tired of the Liberal elite rewriting the history books to further push their agenda. We need to do something about & expose these liars for what they are.

  4. RJP3 / Dec 24 2013 1:21 pm

    The level of ignorance on display here in America is going to destroy this country. We have Americans on here who do not know WW2 was a fight against Far Right Wing German and Japanese fascism. The American Far Right Wing propaganda machine is successful – these fools parrot the American Right Wing propaganda that Nazi’s were liberals. Damn sickening — but at least I am not them.

    • Jeff Isles / Apr 17 2014 11:43 am

      You really are a special kind of stupid. Of course the NAZI’s were “liberals” in practice. You can put whatever label you want on it but only modern liberals are running around banning smoking or 32 oz. drinks. Demanding private corporations do what the government says from minimum wage to corporate salaries. Across the spectrum you see NAZI policies being advocated by the left in the US. I am not suggesting that the left in the US is therefore in favor of the murderous policies the NAZI’s resorted to, one has nothing to do with the other. But it does tend to be a symptom of all powerful centralized governments throughout history. It is a very slippery slope when you vest ANY form of government with unlimited power and charge it with fixing all the problems of the world. To quote a famous “statists”, some eggs are going to get broken to make that omelet.

  5. Anonymous / Aug 15 2013 9:19 am

    There is no denying that Socialism is left wing.
    Okay, so there have been some subtle changes to the edges in 60 years, but the core is the same.
    Nobody wants to be associated with the NAZIS because we all have to agree they were/are bad.
    So the left, being heavily into propaganda, tries incessantly to say that teh NAZIS are right wing.
    They cite things like “Socialist in name inly” and “National socialism is really right wing because it is nationalism” etc. Well, sicne the great left-wing leader is taking us down the same road as the NAZIS I guess that he is right wing and should have been in the Republican party huh? Leftists, you can’t have your cake and eat it too. NAZIS are left wing and always have been. The truth hurts.

  6. frank / Aug 9 2013 3:14 am

    Look at the most important features of the NAZI regime, not the inconsequential details such as protecting wild-life. (sure it’s an issue today, but there are really bigger things out there, such as wars that killed 50 million people)

    As is pointed out before, You couldn’t have a better example of
    Nationalism,
    Xenophobia,
    Jingoism,
    Racism,
    Hierarchical organization,
    Authoritarianism,

    Economically it’s true they had some elements of left wing influence. However the socialist policies they enacted were counterbalanced by:

    Banning of unions
    Alliance and support with Business and Industry leaders

    Conservatives just don’t like the fact that NAZI’s are called right wingers so they have to try really hard to come up with a reason to paint them on the left. :/

  7. superzeroes41 / Aug 3 2013 8:57 am

    I’ve long held this belief that Nazism was in fact lefty not righty. Currently I am in an intense and ongoing debate with a friend over this. I read your piece here to see if I could learn more and have some talking points. Only one I hadn’t known previously was animal rights.
    I as some posting comments suggest we go to stormfront website most certainly will not. I don’t need FBI or any law enforcement agency after my butt. Big differences between the Neo-nazis’ and the nazis’ of Hitler. It has evolved/morphed into something wholly different.
    Read The Rise and Fall of The Third Reich. Hitler had control over almost every aspect of Germans. Only time he had to bite his tongue and sit on his hands was during the Olympics.
    Look at the way he had a big government approach. The real reason he was considered right-wing was he destroyed the labour unions. Big labour nowadays loves big government because then government employees were not unionized. They certainly are now.

  8. blue waffle / Apr 18 2013 2:25 pm

    Revisionist cretins trying to argue up is down because Australia is on the other side of the world in 3.. 2.. 1.

  9. Satan / Apr 13 2013 4:54 pm

    As a conservative, I found that this article and most of the commentaries for and against it remarkably ignorant of basic history. The notion that the Nazis were leftwing is an absurd theory peddled by the neocon Jonah Goldberg and his National Review lapdogs as well as various libertarian tool bags. It’s sad that so many have bought into this nonsense.

    Firstly, the idea completely ignores basic political terminology established during the French Revolution. The term ‘Leftwing’ doesn’t refer to the degree of statist intervention in the economy, it refers to the degree that a political movement is committed to socio-politico-economic egalitarianism. Equality has historically been enforced through powerful governments (ie: New Deal, social democracy, welfare, and in the extreme, communist parties). Hence, Leftwing=Equality

    The term ‘Rightwing’ describes those who believe that inequality and social hierarchy are natural, normal, or desirable. The Rightwing rejects the leveling down of social differences that would lead to human equality. Hence, Rightwing=Hierarchy.

    The idea that the term rightwing implies support from free-markets and little to no government intervention (Anarcho-Capitalism) is historical revisionism invented by modern Libertarians to discredit other rightwing movements (including conservatives). Ironically, American libertarians are actually classical liberals, making them left-of-center. However, it should be pointed out that capitalism is historically conceived of as rightwing precisely because it enforces inequality and social control in the privately owned workplace, hence capitalism is contextually more rightwing then socialism. Both the Nazis and Fascists allied with the capitalists, abolished unions, stifled all workplace dissent, and in the Final Solution, resorted to Jewish slave labor in order to manufacture goods for the capitalist war industry. Thus, the Nazis were not leftwing (even if they had leftwing origins, ideas, and supporters). The fact that they were tree-hugging vegetarians and animal-rights supporters has nothing to do with where they stand on the political spectrum (conservatives were the first environmentalists by the way). Simply because they had the word ‘socialist’ in their name doesn’t imply that they are leftwing, since historically there were many anti-capitalists and self-described socialists who were staunchly rightwing reactionaries (Metternich, Bismarck, Plato, Spengler). Furthermore, despite their common inspirations, policies, and alliance, the Nazis were not Fascists, those are two different political groups. Saying the Nazis were Fascists would be like saying Canada and the USA are the same since they have similar governments.

    Saying that the Nazis and Fascists were leftwing is about as ridiculous as saying that American Conservatives are leftwing because they support democracy and human rights. Don’t be an idiot.

    • Anonymous / Jul 1 2013 3:21 am

      Go sell crazy (your pseudo-intellectualism) somewhere else. The Nazis were far left. True story. Don’t you be an idiot : )

    • sabretruthtiger / Jul 26 2013 12:04 pm

      BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA! Wow…just wow. Left-wing = equality he says after mentioning Communism as an example. Funny how ‘enforced equality means the group running it is far, far more ‘equal’ than the rest who somehow becomes less ‘equal’ than they were previously.

      By definition and nature left wing involves STATIST INTERVENTION as it involves the notion of attempting blanket equality and it must be enforced to prevent natural market and social dynamics from shaping it. This never works because it is against human nature and merely serves to crush creativity, aspiration, talent and progress. Note how China started to prosper once it embraced capitalism. Communism/Marxism also serves to transfer power to a small group more absolutely than any free market capitalist model.

      Perhaps you missed the quote from hitler you retard. ”We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are determined to destroy this system under all conditions”

      Game over.

    • sabretruthtiger / Jul 26 2013 12:19 pm

      Your handle Satan, also reveals your psyche, that of a globalist Luciferian zealot. Vermin like you are what hold back civilisation. Go back into Saruman’s shadow Wormtongue.

  10. Anonymous / Mar 19 2013 8:16 pm

    Until you learn the difference between “here” and “hear”, nobody is going to listen to you. I’m on your side.

  11. Steve Di Renno / Feb 16 2013 12:58 am

    Nazi’s were both, after the night of the long knives all pretenses to being socialistic went out the window though. Hitler hated both extremes he simply wanted a strong Germany and probably couldn’t care less how he got there.

  12. Responder / Jan 19 2013 2:25 am

    The National Socialists were, on economic issues, to the Left (command economy).

    But simply because the Nazis were statists does not mean they were left wing…

    Their essential program was right wing —>

    Their Social Darwinism – belief in the innate inferiority of “undesirables”….
    Extreme Ethnic-Nationalism (opposition to diversity and multiculturalism).
    Staunch Xenophobia and hatred of foreign elements
    Belief in Racial Hierarchy and domination by racial superiors (not a left-wing or Marxist notion)….
    Belief in total Cultural Homogeneity.
    Ceaseless glorification of Militarism, Imperialism and the Marshal ethic.
    Furthermore:

    Mien Kampf is completely littered with denunciations of Marxism.

    Marxism, (the Jewish founder of Communism) Marx and Bolshevism (Russian Communism) are mentioned more than 200 times in Hitler’s book in a negative light.

    Hitler did not want his National Socialism conflated with Marxian Socialism.

    In fact, Hitler constantly rants against what he believes to be a Jewish-Communist scheme to take over the world. He suspected that Jewish financiers were merely funding this movement.

    Hitler believed that Jewish financiers were funding the Communist movement. Nazism held that Communism and Jewry were one and the same (see Alfred Rosenburgs the Jewish Bolshevism)…

    The Nazis grew out of the intensely racist German Nationalist movement called the völkisch and the anti-communist Freikorp movement — both of which were intensely anti-left.

    The Nazis were strongly opposed to the communist party and the social democrats…

    The term socialism was employed to draw workers away from communism and into völkisch nationalism.

    • Anonymous / Jun 4 2013 2:59 pm

      Typical democrat bullshit. Why is it that all of you liberal dicks gloss over the fact that when the Democratic Party started out, it consisted entirely of racists? Why do you deny that it was liberals that started slavery and that American democrats created the Ku Klux Klan after slavery was abolished? The KKK was responsible for the murder of thousands of black people. The Nazis were responsible for the murder of millions of Jews. Am I the only one who can see the obvious connection here? I am obviously conservative, but what I stated here is historical fact. Like it or not, democrats, you can’t change history.

      • SD. / Jun 8 2013 1:40 am

        Back when slavery was around the Republicans were the “liberals.”

        The Republican party of today is considerably different than it was even 40 years ago. THe Republicans have gotten so bad that even though I have many conservative ideals I cannot support them or the democrats. For many different reasons but also a lot of the same ones.

      • itsnobody / Jun 9 2013 8:21 am

        The older Republicans were classic liberals in the libertarian sense, which by this definition would mean that people who support gun rights are ‘liberal’.

        The main things the Nazis hate about the Republicans are:
        – Supporting capitalism and the free market
        – Supporting Israel
        – Opposing the belief in evolution and natural selection

        What a terrible thing capitalism is in the eyes of every Nazi.

        The Democrats oppose Nazism far less that’s why Tom Metzger won the nomination when he ran as a Democrat, but when he attempted to run as a Republican he didn’t get enough support for his name to even appear on the ballot

  13. TriCountySyndicate / Jan 3 2013 6:20 pm

    And your argument seems to have no real point since nazis were hated because of their anti semitism and genocide which ha nothing to do with the left wing. Most Germans with the exception of gays, jews, gypsies, and communists had a good life or were fairly happy during nazi rule. Plus putting all the jews out of work and the government regulation practically eliminated unemployment.

  14. TriCountySyndicate / Jan 2 2013 11:41 pm

    Th left wing doesn’t oppose free speech. They arn’t conservatives because I say so, their conservatives by definition, not my definition but the dictionary definition, and modern day nazis and white power groups consider themselves conservative just go on stormfront and look. The nazis believe in private property and abolished land taxes. Many capitalists got rich an profited during the national socialist regime like BMW, Hugo Boss, Ford Motors, etc. Socialism puts all means of production in the hands of the government. The nazi party and the reich did not control all means of production. They did nationalize some heavy industries but mainly as part of rebuilding Germany and the war effort. Their economy was not left wing and they hardly opposed the free market. Animal rights is not a strictly left wing principal just like Keynesian economics. Maybe you should read the comments in that stormfront article and see what most nazis and white nationalists think?
    The nazi where hardly purely left wing. My argument isn’t that the nazis are right wing because “I consider” them right wing its that they are by definition. The nazis didn’t consider themselves left wing or reactionaries but that didn’t stop you from arguing that they where even though national socialists would say otherwise. Fascism I generally considers reactionary.

    • itsnobody / Jan 2 2013 11:48 pm

      Well you’re wrong again.

      The left-wing indeed opposes free speech, they want hate speech laws.

      Most Stormfront users don’t label themselves as conservatives, but as National Socialist, I think I can find the link later on.

      The Nazis opposed capitalism and a free market throughout their whole regime.

      During the Nazis Four Year Plan, the Nazi government gained full control over employment, the Nazi government assigned people positions, just like in a socialist type government

      I’m still waiting for you to explain how the Nazis weren’t anti-capitalist or not socialist.

      The Nazis controlled wages, set prices, controlled what businesses could and could not do, and had full control over all businesses, it’s just basic history, regardless of what you want to believe.

      So the government setting wages and prices and gaining full control over employment is not left-wing?

      • TriCountySyndicate / Jan 3 2013 3:26 am

        Socialist/communist governments and/or people control the means of production and in national socialist Germany most means of production where still private with some exceptions like the banking industry and others. Hitler disliked homosexuals much like conservatives today, maybe with the exception of Ernst Rohm. That is a decent comparison. How do you prove that nazis were in fact socialists and believed in the elimination of classes as well as giving workers control over the means of production. Socialism does not allow the government to dictate the economy it is democratic and communally owned. An ideal socialist communist state has no governing body only the proletariat. Maybe you should read the communist manifesto. If conservatives believe that people have free will and that the government should have less control over our lives then outlawing abortion would be contradictory to such beliefs because it allows the state to have control over our own bodies which, from a conservative point of view, is leftist.

      • TriCountySyndicate / Jan 3 2013 6:16 pm

        I think the word is best described as state capitalism or a mixed economy but not socialism now that I think about it …

      • Responder / Jan 19 2013 2:01 am

        Sure! On economic issues they were left wing…

        But they were utterly devoted to a right wing program:

        Their Social Darwinism – belief in the innate inferiority of social elements
        Extreme Ethnic-Nationalism (opposition to diversity and multiculturalism).
        Staunch Xenophobia.
        Belief in Racial Hierarchy.
        Belief in total Cultural Homogeneity.
        Glorification of Militarism and Imperialism.

        Mien Kampf is completely littered with denunciations of Marxism.

        Hitler did not want his National Socialism conflated with Marxian Socialism.

      • Responder / Jan 19 2013 2:27 am

        The National Socialists were, on economic issues, to the Left (command economy).

        But simply because the Nazis were statists does not mean they were left wing…

        Their essential program was right wing —>

        Their Social Darwinism – belief in the innate inferiority of “undesirables”….
        Extreme Ethnic-Nationalism (opposition to diversity and multiculturalism).
        Staunch Xenophobia and hatred of foreign elements
        Belief in Racial Hierarchy and domination by racial superiors (not a left-wing or Marxist notion)….
        Belief in total Cultural Homogeneity.
        Ceaseless glorification of Militarism, Imperialism and the Marshal ethic.
        Furthermore:

        Mien Kampf is completely littered with denunciations of Marxism.

        Marxism, (the Jewish founder of Communism) Marx and Bolshevism (Russian Communism) are mentioned more than 200 times in Hitler’s book in a negative light.

        Hitler did not want his National Socialism conflated with Marxian Socialism.

        In fact, Hitler constantly rants against what he believes to be a Jewish-Communist scheme to take over the world. He suspected that Jewish financiers were merely funding this movement.

        Hitler believed that Jewish financiers were funding the Communist movement. Nazism held that Communism and Jewry were one and the same (see Alfred Rosenburgs the Jewish Bolshevism)…

        The Nazis grew out of the intensely racist German Nationalist movement called the völkisch and the anti-communist Freikorp movement — both of which were intensely anti-left.

        The Nazis were strongly opposed to the communist party and the social democrats…

        The term socialism was employed to draw workers away from communism and into völkisch nationalism.

      • TriCountySyndicate / Jan 28 2013 2:21 am

        Also one

      • TriCountySyndicate / Jan 28 2013 2:24 am

        Also one of the reasons hitler had Ernst Rohm killed was because he hated and wanted to fight capitalists and reactionaries. Hitler reassured many business men that such actions would not take place and had Rohm and the nazi leftist subgroup of strasserists killed in the night o the long knives.

  15. TriCountySyndicate / Dec 24 2012 1:41 am

    Nazis believes in social inequality and hierarchy which are the base principals of
    right wing politics. The term national socialist
    was used to turn the German workers away
    from communism and Bolshevism. There was very little socialism in the national socialist party. The author left out point 17 which abolished taxes on land as well as the specification of nationalizing trusts (monopolies) in point 13. Point 24 supports freedom of religion (with the exception of Judaism). I’m not a liberal so don’t label me as such I’m just stating basic facts about nazi
    ideology.

    • Stephanie Stach Wetzel / Dec 24 2012 4:17 am

      First of all, Nazis do not believe in social inequality, they do believe, in contrast with international socialists, in equality among Germans only. Hitler thought that the concept of “class-conscience” promoted by Marx could not be achieved without Nationalism. That’s their main difference. Apart from that, there is almost no difference between National Socialism (Nazism), and International Socialism (Marxism). Hitler fought against Bolshevism in Germany because he believed Socialism could only be achieved when Germans embrace a sense of Nationalism. And Bolshevism had an International goal.

      Right-wing politics do not hold social inequality as one of their premises because right-wingers see political relations as an individual goal, not a social one. The whole idea of social politics is a left-wing concept. A right-winger would put the individual as supreme in all political decisions, something Hitler clearly did not believe.

      Hitler nominally and seemingly preserves property ownership of the means of production, however, there were no entrepreneurs, but only shop managers bound to obey unconditionally the orders issued by government. In this scenario private property is evidently non-existent.

      Name one policy promoted by Hitler that would put him as a right-winger?!

      • TriCountySyndicate / Dec 28 2012 8:01 pm

        Hitler expressed his extreme distaste for Marxism on almost every page of Mein Kampf. Nazism attempted to apply old conservtive german nationalist views and thought to society through fascism making him a reactionary. Social hierarchy and inequality is not a left wing concept applied to the right wing it is one of the principals that capitalism and the base principal of right wing ideology. Hitler believed in the class system and social inequality and uniting the classes behind him not eliminating the classes (eliminating classes bieng left wing) I’m not saying he was exclusively conservative because he blamed both ideologies for destroying Germany, I’m just dismissing the stupid illusion that him and his party where left wing radicals when nazis themselves wouldn’t describe themselves as such, go on stormfront and ask them yourself!

      • itsnobody / Jan 2 2013 11:36 pm

        Karl Marx was anti-Semitic, made racist remarks and expressed his hatred of Jews, so was Karl Marx not a socialist then?

        Hitler can hate whomever he wanted, in the end the Nazi government CONTROLLED what businesses could produce, the quantity they could produce, and even set the price, that is indeed socialism. There’s no way to interpret it differently.

        Anyone who argues that a government that controls all employment and business is not socialist or close to socialist is just plain delusional.

        How can a government that controls all employment and business not be labeled as left-wing?

      • TriCountySyndicate / Dec 28 2012 8:16 pm

        Schwerin Von Krosigk economic minister of the reich chancellery reduced germanies taxes to 532 billion reichmarks per year and newly built homes were exempted of income tax, property tax and rural land tax. These policies favored middle class property owners. The wirtschaftswunder (economic miracle) of Was achieved through the free market and the nazis only privatized state owned enterprises like the duestch bank an comments bank.

      • itsnobody / Jan 2 2013 11:25 pm

        You can point out one or two instances of what the Nazis did that seems right-wing or whatever, but in reality basically everything the Nazis did fiscally was left-wing.

        I can give some examples:
        – The Nazi government had full control over businesses, they regulated and controlled what businesses could do
        – Businesses were told by the state what they could produce, the quantity that they could produce, and at what price
        – Businesses were burdened with taxes, and were even forced to contribute to the Nazi party
        – The Nazi government controlled all employment and determined who would work where, and for what salary
        – The Nazi government assigned workers positions, and workers could not switch positions without permission from the government

        You can try to cherry-pick supposed examples of how the Nazis were pro-free market or whatever, but all the historical sources and observations clearly show that the Nazis were socialists.

        The Nazi government was nearly the spitting image of socialism, just face reality.

      • Stephanie Stach Wetzel / Dec 29 2012 6:13 pm

        TryCountySyndicate,

        A few years ago Raul Castro allowed the population of Cuba to keep 2% of their earning. He “lowered taxes”, can I call him a right-wing politician for lowering taxes? As of this year Cubans can now legally sell their houses, which was a government run “program”, are they Capitalists?

        Remember that correlation does not imply causation. Just because Hitler went after Communists, that doesn’t make him a right-winger. For example, if you dislike Obama and/or Bush doesn’t make you a right-wing Libertarian. Hitler went after EVERYBODY that would oppose a threat, and that would stand in his way. Since fighting in the World War I, Hitler preached the Volkgemeinschaft spirit (people’s community – German people’s community. It was an expression meaning “to break down elitism and class divides”).

        This idea that left-wing seeks a society with no classes, while right-wing preserves social hierarchy and inequality is a left-wing way of seeing things. A right-winger would classify left-wing politics as being collectivist, while right-wing as being individualist. For instance, a left-wing would say that private property must serve a social purpose and that since billionaire “X” have too much money, he ought to “share” more than the others. A right-wing being an individualist would say that private property is sacred.

        Hitler NEVER preached the individual, he would always come with policies for the “good” of the collective. He banned firearms and the freedom of speech, he centralized the federal government, and abolished state rights – all for the well of the collective. While a right-winger would favor local rule, individual sovereignty, etc…

        Hitler “governed” upon two amends in the German Constitution: Article 48 (that allowed the President, to take emergency measures without the prior consent of the Reichstag), and the Reichstag Fire Decree (that suspended basic rights).
        Even before being the Fuhrer of Germany, as a Chancellor, Hitler was a key element on passing the Reichstag Fire Decree on 28 February 1933:
        “Articles 114, 115, 117, 118, 123 and 153 of the Constitution of Germany Reigh are suspended until further notice. It is therefore permissible to restrict the rights of personal freedom (habeas corpus), freedom of (opinion) expression, including the freedom of the press, the freedom to organize and assemble, the privacy of postal, telegraphic and telephonic communication. Warrants for House searches, orders for confiscations as well as restrictions on property, are also permissible beyond the legal limits otherwise described.”

        Do you have the rights to personal freedom on a right-wing society? YES. Do you have the right to personal freedom on a left-wing society? NO. Do you have the right to freedom of speech on a right-wing society? YES. Do you have the right to freedom of speech on a left-wing society? NO. Do you have private property on a right-wing society? YES. Do you have private property on a left-wing society? NO.

      • TriCountySyndicate / Dec 30 2012 1:32 am

        What you said doesn’t prove anything at all used basic facts about NS ideology and the textbook definitions of right and left wing that’s evidence enough. You proved nothing in your rebuttal. I’m not trying to insult your intelligence but your wrong. I proved that hitler was a right wing reactionary and that even nazis today consider themselves conservatives. Hitler was a fascist AND a conservative/right wing politician. The right wing and facsim are not in the same boat but that does not chane the fact that nazis where right wing conservatives who wanted to restore Germany to its imperial glory.

      • Responder / Jan 19 2013 2:27 am

        The National Socialists were, on economic issues, to the Left (command economy).

        But simply because the Nazis were statists does not mean they were left wing…

        Their essential program was right wing —>

        Their Social Darwinism – belief in the innate inferiority of “undesirables”….
        Extreme Ethnic-Nationalism (opposition to diversity and multiculturalism).
        Staunch Xenophobia and hatred of foreign elements
        Belief in Racial Hierarchy and domination by racial superiors (not a left-wing or Marxist notion)….
        Belief in total Cultural Homogeneity.
        Ceaseless glorification of Militarism, Imperialism and the Marshal ethic.
        Furthermore:

        Mien Kampf is completely littered with denunciations of Marxism.

        Marxism, (the Jewish founder of Communism) Marx and Bolshevism (Russian Communism) are mentioned more than 200 times in Hitler’s book in a negative light.

        Hitler did not want his National Socialism conflated with Marxian Socialism.

        In fact, Hitler constantly rants against what he believes to be a Jewish-Communist scheme to take over the world. He suspected that Jewish financiers were merely funding this movement.

        Hitler believed that Jewish financiers were funding the Communist movement. Nazism held that Communism and Jewry were one and the same (see Alfred Rosenburgs the Jewish Bolshevism)…

        The Nazis grew out of the intensely racist German Nationalist movement called the völkisch and the anti-communist Freikorp movement — both of which were intensely anti-left.

        The Nazis were strongly opposed to the communist party and the social democrats…

        The term socialism was employed to draw workers away from communism and into völkisch nationalism.

      • Luis / Jul 21 2014 3:26 am

        “That’s their main difference. Apart from that, there is almost no difference between National Socialism (Nazism), and International Socialism (Marxism).”

        Don’t be a stupid cunt.

    • Stephanie Stach Wetzel / Dec 30 2012 4:33 pm

      TriCountySyndicate,

      You didn’t insult me.

      Showing the ideology of the Nazi Party, what they did when they were in power, what Hitler preached since his teen days until he died, is not proof? A group of uninformed people that are rebel without a cause, and call themselves “Nazis” is not proof. Hitler lowering taxes on what he thinks is better, is not proof of him being a right-wing politician. Obama lowered taxes on what HE thinks is best: on green energy. Is he a right-wing conservative? “A right-wing fascist” is an oxymoron.

      Hitler suspended the gold standard, embarked on huge public-works programs like autobahns, protected industry from foreign competition, expanded credit, instituted jobs programs, bullied the private sector on prices and production decisions, vastly expanded the military, enforced capital controls, instituted family planning, penalized smoking, brought about national healthcare and unemployment insurances, imposed education standards, and eventually ran huge deficits. The Nazi interventionist program was essential to the regime’s rejection of the market economy and its embrace of socialism in one country.

      And last, but not least, Hitler’s economists rejected laissez-faire and admired… guess who? Keynes. That’s why the leftist of today, and since the World War II have tried to, or succeeded at, portraying Hitler as a crazy right-wing extremist, because they don’t want their Socialistic ideas being traced back in Nazi Germany.

      • TriCountySyndicate / Dec 31 2012 3:02 am

        Keynesian economics proposes a mixed economy believing that the private sector is good but with the role of government intervention during recessions. Just because some left wingers believe in Keynesian economics does not make it exclusively left wing or socialist just like second amendment rights arn’t strictly right wing as they can be embraced by both. “Our adopted term, socialism, has nothing to do with Marxian socialism, Marxism is anti property true socialism is not”-Adolf Hitler. Hitler was a reactionary and by definition a conservative and right winger. His economic policies were mixed not falling in a capitalist or socialist category. Hitler and the nazi party were populist authoritarians and also reactionaries that is fact and it can’t be denied. You could say that tha NS plan to reform Germany back to its imperial days right wing and their economic policies as mixed but certainly not left wing or right wing in its entirety. And you would really consider the government building a road network left wing? Governments in all kind of societies build basic infrastructure. Also I don’t copy and paste my arguments like it looks like you did in your second paragraph.

      • itsnobody / Jan 2 2013 9:30 pm

        What a lame weak argument.

        You’re arguing Hitler was a conservative because you say he was by definition. National Socialists never considered themselves to be reactionary, so how was Hitler reactionary, can you explain?

        How can a plan to reform Germany back to it’s imperial days be considered right-wing, because you say so?

        So your basic argument is that “The Nazis were right-wing because I consider them to be right-wing”, what a lame weak argument.

        Marxism is only slightly more far-left than Hitler’s Nazism.

        The Nazis were almost entirely left-wing on basically all issues (both fiscally and socially).

        Socially left-wing:
        – Oppose Israel and the Jews
        – Support eugenics and the belief in evolution and natural selection
        – Support animal rights

        Fiscally left-wing:
        – Oppose the free market and a free society
        – Give the government power over corporations and the people
        – Strongly strongly oppose a constitutional government which strongly limits the power the government has

        So basically everything the Nazi party is purely left-wing

  16. Stephanie Stach Wetzel / Dec 15 2012 3:54 pm

    itsnobody,
    I read the entire article and was really perplexed. I mean, I already knew that the Nazis were leftist, however, you’ve picked a lot of good examples and proofs said by the founders of that horrific movement to support that.
    However, I was awestruck, in a really bad way, when I started reading the comments. How can people be SO blind? You can smack the truth in their faces, but they’ll still refuse to see it. They don’t realize that there are different “ways” that the leftism can be carried out.

    • Responder / Jan 19 2013 2:00 am

      Hitler insisted that he was at war with Judeo-Bolshevism, or Jewish Communism….

      He detested Marxism in all its forms…

  17. Anonymous / Nov 1 2012 11:20 am

    …You do realise that the assertion that Austrian economics is the only element of ‘right wing’ politics is a very new phenomenon that has only existed for thirty years or so? You’re attempting to judge the Nazis by a standard that just didn’t exist at the time. There are other components of ‘right wing’ politics, you know…the frothing hatred of anything vaguely Socialistic and culturally liberal being one of them I’m sure you could relate to…

    • itsnobody / Jan 2 2013 9:38 pm

      Much more than 30 years, so fiscally the Nazis were definitely left-wing.

      The ones who oppose Israel and the Jews in modern times is the far left, so socially the Nazis were also left-wing.

      The people arguing that the Nazis were right-wing are just arguing that they are right-wing because they label the Nazis as right-wing, not because they have actual reasons

      • TriCountySyndicate / Jan 3 2013 6:11 pm

        What would your reason for labeling nazis as left wing be, you seem to be cherry picking as well and seem to not completely understand socialism. I’m not delusional you just don’t seem to differentiate between economic dictatorship and socialism which are different.

  18. mark dear / Oct 19 2012 1:26 pm

    Typical liberal reaction to the truth. Deny it, and then attempt to smear both character and intellegence of the author, and of course guise your opinion under the shell of a learned intellectual. Typical, and to be expected. There are many apt comparisons between Barack Obama and Hitler, in spite of the denials to the contrary.

    • TriCountySyndicate / Jan 4 2013 12:28 am

      Let me see some comparisons then.

    • Responder / Jan 19 2013 1:56 am

      On economic issues, the Nazis were largely Left wing… Command Economy was central to their program.

      But they were Right wing in the following ways:

      Their Social Darwinism – belief in the innate inferiority of social elements
      Extreme Ethnic-Nationalism (opposition to diversity and multiculturalism).
      Staunch Xenophobia.
      Belief in Racial Hierarchy.
      Belief in total Cultural Homogeneity.
      Glorification of Militarism and Imperialism.

      Mien Kampf is completely littered with denunciations of Marxism.

      Hitler did not want his National Socialism conflated with Marxian Socialism.

      • Chaz / Mar 11 2013 2:33 pm

        Command economies are neither left wing or right wing. Absolute monarchies are comman economies, they are however, by no means socialist in any way whatsoever.

    • itsnobody / Jan 2 2013 9:44 pm

      Thanks for the laugh, maybe you should try harder.

      The far-left opposes Israel and the Jews, Arthur Jones has no power in the GOP. He has been ridiculed by the GOP.

      There have been people with Nazi-ish views who have attempted to gain power in the Democratic party and Republican party. Pointing out one instance doesn’t mean anything.

      Tom Metzger, an atheist who is the founder of the Neo-Nazi group “White Aryan Resistance” tried to run as a Democrat and a Republican.

      When he ran as a Democrat he got 37.1% of the vote and won the Democratic party nomination for the US House of Representatives, when he ran against a Republican he only got 13.4%.

      In 2010 when Tom Metzger tried to run as a Republican he didn’t even make the ballot, lol!

  19. Anonymous / Aug 10 2012 5:51 am

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/menachem-rosensaft/arthur-jones-holocaust_b_1312530.html

    As a Jew, I find you to be a FUCKING NAZI, FOLLOW YOUR LEADER!

    • John Mikael / Dec 10 2012 5:06 pm

      This was a good post

    • itsnobody / Jan 2 2013 9:55 pm

      Since you’re a Jew I’m sure you know how much the far-left hates and opposes Israel and Jews.

      Here’s an excerpt from a news article about the Jews fleeing Malmo:
      “More often it’s the far-left that commonly use Jews as a punching bag for their disdain toward the policies of Israel, even if Jews in Malmö have nothing to do with Israeli politics.” – http://www.thelocal.se/24632/20100127/#.UOTyy2xkyAg

      Sweden is a liberal atheist country so it makes sense that they have recently seen a surge in Nazism as the atheist population rose in Sweden

      So Nazism is definitely fiscally and socially left-wing in almost every aspect.

      • Responder / Jan 19 2013 1:58 am

        The Far Left is not the only entity with a problem with Israel.

        Ever heard of the Right winger and self-proclaimed Conservative David Duke?

        The White Nationalists are right-wing, and are staunch opponents of “world Zionism”…

  20. Anonymous / Aug 10 2012 5:50 am
    • itsnobody / Jan 2 2013 9:58 pm

      An unconvincing article, Nazis have basically no power in the GOP, there have been Nazis who have attempted to run as Democrats and Republicans.

      The old Dixiecrats were closer to the Nazis and they were also left-wing.

  21. Anonymous / Aug 10 2012 5:44 am

    Lets see, Nationalistic patriotic, war loving, hates others not of their race or culture, national ID strict border policies, hates communist, believed in killing people and torture ( see Bush on ” define torture”) for god and country, sounds strongly like the right wing of America. Don’t forget nation building and strong drug control , also tough on street crime, police state. I swear, nobody, and I mean nobody loves fear and propaganda like the Nazis and the GOP! Where did you do your graduate work in history at, University of Phoenix ( profit based college btw) What an idiot you are!

    • John Mikael / Dec 10 2012 5:07 pm

      the nazis were socialist left wingers and the Gop is anti capitalist

      • Chaz / Mar 11 2013 2:37 pm

        The Nazi party were not left wingers. Only a small portion of what they believed in could be, if you squinted really hard to see what you wanted to see, seen as socialist, that’s the command economy part. Everything else was extreme right. However, command economies are not restricted to the left or the right. An absolute monarchy is a command economy and is the furthest thing from left wing.

    • itsnobody / Jan 2 2013 10:15 pm

      All the things you listed were done by Democrats in the past, so your argument falls into the category as “the Nazis were right-wing because I label them as right-wing”

  22. Anonymous / May 11 2012 4:50 pm

    I don’t suppose mass vivisection on human beings, plus training dogs to rape people, counts for anything?

  23. Rodger / Apr 16 2012 4:53 pm

    The author is a bloomin idiot. Try studying and comprehending some authentic history rather than propagandic tripe. The Nazi’s were not liberals or left wing. There is plenty of citeable evidence to refute such nonsense. There is also a pretty simple litmus test; simply look at the politics of those in the US who most supported the NAZI’s before and even during WWII. Wake up man!!

    • itsnobody / Jan 2 2013 10:10 pm

      Well then go ahead and post your cite-able evidence to refute my claims.

      The modern day GOP supports Israel and the Jews, are you trying to say that the Nazis would’ve supported Israel?

      • Responder / Jan 19 2013 2:32 am

        The National Socialists were, on economic issues, to the Left (command economy).

        But simply because the Nazis were statists does not mean they were left wing…

        Their essential program was right wing —>

        Their Social Darwinism – belief in the innate inferiority of “undesirables”….
        Extreme Ethnic-Nationalism (opposition to diversity and multiculturalism).
        Staunch Xenophobia and hatred of foreign elements
        Belief in Racial Hierarchy and domination by racial superiors (not a left-wing or Marxist notion)….
        Belief in total Cultural Homogeneity.
        Ceaseless glorification of Militarism, Imperialism and the Marshal ethic.
        Furthermore:

        Mien Kampf is completely littered with denunciations of Marxism.

        Marxism, (the Jewish founder of Communism) Marx and Bolshevism (Russian Communism) are mentioned more than 200 times in Hitler’s book in a negative light.

        Hitler did not want his National Socialism conflated with Marxian Socialism.

        In fact, Hitler constantly rants against what he believes to be a Jewish-Communist scheme to take over the world. He suspected that Jewish financiers were merely funding this movement.

        Hitler believed that Jewish financiers were funding the Communist movement. Nazism held that Communism and Jewry were one and the same (see Alfred Rosenburgs the Jewish Bolshevism)…

        The Nazis grew out of the intensely racist German Nationalist movement called the völkisch and the anti-communist Freikorp movement — both of which were intensely anti-left.

        The Nazis were strongly opposed to the communist party and the social democrats…

        The term socialism was employed to draw workers away from communism and into völkisch nationalism.

      • Chaz / Mar 11 2013 2:40 pm

        You can take one portion “support of Israel and Jews”, that doesn’t make everything else go away. There was only one part of NAZI politics that could be viewed as left wing the “command economy” but even then that is not exclusively left wing. Total monarchies are right wing (they are certainly NOT socialist) and yet they are control economies.

  24. roy / Mar 5 2012 7:12 am

    ahem, you are forgetting gregor strasser (night of the long knives and the left-wing nazi faction). even if in some alternate universe where one chooses to erroneosly define the nazis as left-wing, to suggest that the nazis were somehow in any way liberal is pattenly absurd. liberal means free and even the most conservative elements in current US politics embrace some form of liberalism (classical, neo-liberal, libertarian). the nazis were about as liberal as micheal jackson was a normal white anglo-saxon protestant. and so, it is important to recognize that totalitarianism can occur anywhere along the so called ‘left/right’ spectrum. it is ignorant to conflate ‘liberal’ with ‘leftist’.

    • itsnobody / Jan 2 2013 10:19 pm

      You’re just using a no true Scotsman fallacy , I’m not talking about the “classic liberal” definition, I’m talking about the modern liberal definition.

  25. Maude LL / Feb 8 2012 2:03 pm

    Libertarians are a (relatively recent) faction of liberalism. Being a liberal isn’t necessarily synonymous to being “left wing”, and definitely not synonymous to being a socialist. Socialism and conservatism (Burke) were both reactionary (not in the pejorative sense, simply a reaction to) movements against liberal movements in Europe. Both conservatism and socialism are based on the notion that the benefit of the community passes before individual rights, and the logic behind conservatism is that individuals must be restrained from acting their passions to be free. Liberals believe in individual freedoms, economic or social depending on the school of thought, and they believe individuals know what is best for them and should be constrained as little as possible from doing what they want. They also believe competition and reward through merit rather than social status from birth is what brings innovation, while conservatives believe in cooperation and they see freedom as the elimination of human passions through an outside medium (it can be government, but also church, families, etc.). The United States was completely founded on liberalism, that is why to this day, people are very sensitive about individual freedom here. Canada, on the other hand, was founded on liberal and conservative (loyalists) principles, which evolved into many community-oriented systems such as universal health care. But the idea of “little government” is absolutely liberal.
    I recommend you read history of political theory and the founders of these schools of thoughts. It is fascinating, and you will see it is much more sophisticated than the colloquial understanding of these political philosophies. Adam Smith’s laissez-faire capitalism in Wealth of Nations is a well-known liberal concept, Michael Oakeshott is an interesting conservative (and more modern than Burke), and I suggest you read about Robert Owen and Charles Fourier for socialism, as well as Antonio Gramsci for communism. They are all very enlightening thinkers.

    • itsnobody / Jan 2 2013 10:22 pm

      You’re also using the no true Scotsman fallacy.

      Just the face the facts, in modern liberal terms the Nazis were liberal and left-wing.

      • Chaz / Mar 11 2013 2:44 pm

        Really, so liberals would have sanctioned the murder of homosexuals, would have killed Jews and Slavs and anyone else they thought were inferior races by the million, would’ve built massive armies to invade and conquer surrounding countries and lots more besides? You don’t know the meaning of the word liberal if you think that.

  26. Anonymous / Feb 8 2012 8:23 am

    Could this momentously mentally deficient idiotic know-nothing point to actual similarities between major so-called Liberal Democrats in the public arena, in particular politicians who hold or have held office over the last thirty years, and individual Nazis or the actions of the Nazi Party once they ascended to power?

    Of course the laughable loon who runs this blog won’t be able to produce anything resembling a similarity, either in terms of party platform or pronouncement or overarching political ideology, so my question was more designed to show up how pitifully poor this man is at making coherent, evidence-based arguments.

    This article is so astoundingly stupid in every respect that it can’t but be an attempt at satire. I certainly hope so, because if this blog is meant in earnest the only conclusion to draw from the author’s mental state is that he should be instantly confined to a mental institution. I mean that with all due contempt.

    • itsnobody / Jan 2 2013 10:26 pm

      But I have, are you mad that the Nazis really were left-wing?

      I pointed out lots of similarities. Are you trying to say that the Democrats support a libertarian free market type of society or what? What a joke.

      Here’s another similarity:
      – Hitler and the Nazi government had power over corporations
      – Obama and other liberals talk about how the government should have power over corporations

      Next time try to give actual reasons instead of going into an ad hominem rant.

      • Responder / Jan 19 2013 2:10 am

        Nazis were, on economic issues, to the Left —>

        But on other issues, their essential program was right wing —>

        Their Social Darwinism – belief in the innate inferiority of “undesirables”….
        Extreme Ethnic-Nationalism (opposition to diversity and multiculturalism).
        Staunch Xenophobia.
        Belief in Racial Hierarchy and domination by racial superiors (not a left-wing or Marxist notion)….
        Belief in total Cultural Homogeneity.
        Glorification of Militarism and Imperialism.

        Mien Kampf is completely littered with denunciations of Marxism.

        Hitler did not want his National Socialism conflated with Marxian Socialism.

        In fact, Hitler constantly rants against what he believes to be a Jewish-Communist scheme to take over the world.

        Hitler believed that Jewish financiers were funding the Communist movement.

      • Chaz / Mar 11 2013 2:46 pm

        Command economies are not even exclusive to the left. Both right wing and left wing have command economies. The best example of that would be absolute monarchies, which are against absolutely everything the left wing stands for, and yet they are controlled economies.

  27. Most of the 25 points were never implemented; in fact that whole approach was largely abandoned after Hitler took control of the party. It was the conservative, clerical parties that supported Hitler and voted for the Enabling Act which gave him dictatorial power. Only the Socialists voted against it.

    I think you need to go back to school son. You obviously don’t know a damn thing about history…

    • itsnobody / Jan 2 2013 10:48 pm

      Regardless of what was implemented, the fact remains that the Nazi government had full control of the means of production, which means the Nazi economy was socialist.

      Just face reality.

  28. steve / Feb 6 2012 3:20 pm

    You are the infinite number of monkeys with typwriters and time on your hands and I claim my £5

  29. Carbon Based Life Form / Feb 6 2012 10:46 am

    I’ve always loved the “Well, ‘socialist’ is part of the party name” argument. Obviously, the people who make that argument believe that the Peoples Democratic Republic of Korea is a democracy: It is, after all, exactly the same argument.

    • itsnobody / Jan 2 2013 10:58 pm

      Except it isn’t, I’m not using the name argument or whatever. The Nazi economy was socialist and the Nazi government had control over corporations and basically everything.

      Marxism is only slightly more left-wing than Nazism.

      Just ask any modern day Nazi what they think of capitalism.

    • Chaz / Mar 11 2013 2:47 pm

      Exactly or the German Democratic Republic (DDR, East Germany)

  30. Horgan Jussiduich / Feb 6 2012 5:52 am

    I suspect the author is another of the same kind of left wingers.

  31. Anonymous / Feb 6 2012 3:39 am

    Golly. Perhaps you can explain why the first targets for extermination by the nazi’s were trade unionists, socialists, the intelligentsia at the universities, and communists. Your belief is beyond belief and not at all befitting someone who paints himself as a superman. Pathetic.

    • itsnobody / Jun 23 2012 1:17 am

      Sure I can explain.

      The Nazis targeted lots of different groups, including religious groups. Their prosecution had to do with those who they felt opposed the Nazis regardless of their political or religious affiliation.

      Overall the Nazis were still fiscally left-wing on basically every issue.

      Modern day Nazis and Nazis of the past strongly oppose free-market capitalism and limited government. The Nazis have just been labeled as “right-wing” by the far-left for being nationalist and anti-Semitic and nothing more.

      Racists all know that free-market capitalism doesn’t support or fit into nationalism.

      • Chaz / Mar 11 2013 2:52 pm

        In addition to Jews, the targeted groups included Poles (of whom 2.5 million gentile Poles were killed) and some other Slavic peoples; Soviets (particularly prisoners of war); Romanies (also known as Gypsies) and others who did not belong to the “Aryan race”; the mentally ill, the deaf, the physically disabled and mentally retarded; homosexual and transsexual people; political opponents such as social democrats and SOCIALISTS; and religious dissidents, i.e. members of Jehovah’s Witnesses.

        To claim they were left wing or socialist when socialists were one of the persecuted groups they killed en-mass, is just ridiculous. They would have to be killing themselves. What utter nonsense.

        Berenbaum, Michael. The World Must Know, The United States Holocaust Memorial Museum, pp.125ff.
        “Non-Jewish victims of Nazism,” Encyclopædia Britannica..

  32. Cameron / Feb 6 2012 2:27 am

    I recommend you read William Shirer’s The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich or a similar history book.

    Whilst Hitler promised those things you have quoted above, the first things he did when he got in to power were abolishing unions, giving tax breaks to the big industries, forcing out small businesses and allowing the big companies to take control of their employees. The wealth was not shared or distributed, the rich got a whole crap lot richer. Hitler, Schacht, Funk and co. were all about increasing profits, the work force and production. They had an economic model suited for extreme Capitalism that got the best out of the workers for little pay with huge returns.

    • itsnobody / Jan 2 2013 11:10 pm

      This is not true. The Nazi government had control over basically everything, so everything they did was far-left.

      The Nazi economy was nothing like extreme capitalism, it was just socialism since the government controlled and regulated almost everything.

      The Nazi government forced taxes onto businesses, and regulated exactly what businesses could and could not do, which is nothing like the far-right at all.

      There’s nothing even close to laissez faire capitalism in the Nazi economy.

      • Responder / Jan 19 2013 2:04 am

        Big government is not necessarily Leftwing by definition.

        Please remember that left wing simply means promotion of equality and egalitarianism.

        These were fundamentalism opposed to Nazism.

        It is true that their economic system was leftist… but understand that there were Right wing elements to their program….

        Their Social Darwinism – belief in the innate inferiority of social elements
        Extreme Ethnic-Nationalism (opposition to diversity and multiculturalism).
        Staunch Xenophobia.
        Belief in Racial Hierarchy.
        Belief in total Cultural Homogeneity.
        Glorification of Militarism and Imperialism.

        Mien Kampf is completely littered with denunciations of Marxism.

        Hitler did not want his National Socialism conflated with Marxian Socialism.

      • Chaz / Mar 11 2013 2:54 pm

        Cite your proof itsnobody. You are talking nonsense.

  33. red wolf / Feb 6 2012 12:37 am

    Completely brain-spatteringly stupid. Just how crazy do these nazis think we are ?

  34. Chris P / Feb 5 2012 11:36 pm

    Hitler was an egotistical maniac. He was not a liberal. Liberals work for the common good and for all, regardless of who they are.

    Liberals do not advocate extermination.

    You sir are just another liar for Jesus. It’s a popular sport these days. Rick Santorum does it all the time.

    • itsnobody / Jun 23 2012 1:13 am

      lol, learn basic politics, both conservatives and liberals believe in the common good of all (supposedly) they just believe in accomplishing it in different ways.

      Your definition of politically liberal is just biased and laughable.

      I’m sure lots of Nazis would claim that Hitler worked for the common good of all, so he would be liberal to them by your definition. What’s defined as being for the “common good” is merely a subjective opinion and can be interpreted to mean anything. So you’re basically arguing a subjective opinion just like someone arguing that “blue is the best color” or any other subjective opinion.

      You still haven’t refuted the claim that the Nazis were definitely fiscally left-wing.

  35. maddy / Oct 30 2011 5:18 am

    This is an excellent write-up tarnished by the intro line. “Liberal atheist media”? Really?

    You also claims they were socially liberal, but never explain how, other than a vague reference to animal rights. Nazi Germany wasn’t exactly friendly to gay rights.

    • itsnobody / Nov 2 2011 12:31 am

      Socially liberal with animal rights.

      As for the media being liberal and atheist I can easily show so in hopefully one of my next articles.

      • Chris P / Feb 5 2012 11:38 pm

        Really – Ann Coulter, Bill O’Reilly, Rush, ……. are liberal atheists.

        You sir are a joke.Very few members of the media will even claim to be atheists because they know of the backlash from the crazy religious.

      • Andrew / Feb 6 2012 12:28 am

        I suspect Rupert Murdoch might take exception to this.

  36. Keratoconus / Oct 19 2011 3:59 pm

    I especially like your last paragraph – and I did start a blog – two in fact – just a few months ago! I always write letters to my children at Christmas – sometimes more often, but at least once a year. They know their letters will be in their stockings! Probably wouldn’t do anything you said not to – just a little bit inhibited! But that’s just me. Congratulations on being freshly pressed!

  37. TwoWolves / Sep 28 2011 10:46 pm

    Exactly how many massive brain injuries did the author of this piece of rambling fantasy endure?

    • itsnobody / Sep 30 2011 3:22 am

      Maybe you could explain to me what an argumentum ad hominem is….lol

      • Chris P / Feb 5 2012 11:39 pm

        Maybe you could explain anything. Calling it an “ad hominem” is just an excuse on your part.

      • itsnobody / Jan 2 2013 10:03 pm

        It’s not an excuse, an ad hominem is when you throw personal attacks instead of refuting an argument, so it is indeed an ad hominem.

        I already explained everything in detail, what don’t you understand.

      • Responder / Jan 19 2013 2:07 am

        Nazis were, on economic issues, to the Left —>

        But on other issues, their essential program was right wing —>

        Their Social Darwinism – belief in the innate inferiority of “undesirables”….
        Extreme Ethnic-Nationalism (opposition to diversity and multiculturalism).
        Staunch Xenophobia.
        Belief in Racial Hierarchy and domination by racial superiors (not a left-wing or Marxist notion)….
        Belief in total Cultural Homogeneity.
        Glorification of Militarism and Imperialism.

        Mien Kampf is completely littered with denunciations of Marxism.

        Hitler did not want his National Socialism conflated with Marxian Socialism.

        In fact, Hitler constantly rants against what he believes to be a Jewish-Communist scheme to take over the world.

        Hitler believed that Jewish financiers were funding the Communist movement.

    • John Mikael / Dec 10 2012 5:06 pm

      the nazis were socialist

      • Responder / Jan 19 2013 2:33 am

        The National Socialists were, on economic issues, to the Left (command economy).

        But simply because the Nazis were statists does not mean they were left wing…

        Their essential program was right wing —>

        Their Social Darwinism – belief in the innate inferiority of “undesirables”….
        Extreme Ethnic-Nationalism (opposition to diversity and multiculturalism).
        Staunch Xenophobia and hatred of foreign elements
        Belief in Racial Hierarchy and domination by racial superiors (not a left-wing or Marxist notion)….
        Belief in total Cultural Homogeneity.
        Ceaseless glorification of Militarism, Imperialism and the Marshal ethic.
        Furthermore:

        Mien Kampf is completely littered with denunciations of Marxism.

        Marxism, (the Jewish founder of Communism) Marx and Bolshevism (Russian Communism) are mentioned more than 200 times in Hitler’s book in a negative light.

        Hitler did not want his National Socialism conflated with Marxian Socialism.

        In fact, Hitler constantly rants against what he believes to be a Jewish-Communist scheme to take over the world. He suspected that Jewish financiers were merely funding this movement.

        Hitler believed that Jewish financiers were funding the Communist movement. Nazism held that Communism and Jewry were one and the same (see Alfred Rosenburgs the Jewish Bolshevism)…

        The Nazis grew out of the intensely racist German Nationalist movement called the völkisch and the anti-communist Freikorp movement — both of which were intensely anti-left.

        The Nazis were strongly opposed to the communist party and the social democrats…

        The term socialism was employed to draw workers away from communism and into völkisch nationalism.

      • Chaz / Mar 11 2013 2:57 pm

        You would like to believe that because of the evils of the right wing under NAZISM, that doesn’t make it true or correct though.

  38. hotshot bald cop / Aug 31 2011 6:39 pm

    Right on!

  39. hotshot bald cop / Aug 30 2011 5:26 am

    Now that is some great literature.

    • Sak / Feb 7 2012 10:11 am

      You, sir, are a funny man.

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